Anyways, it went well and they caught more things than I might have. More than one pair of eyes is an asset.
Actually, I think that a lot of learning was going on. I am a happy camper today.
Wednesday, February 20, 2008
Feedback
Ok, today I had my A Block give feedback to all the other core blocks on a discussion thread (on the wiki) titled feedback. What great insights and feedback they provided. I was really really impressed. Last night I started a discussion thread for their work so they could see what I was hoping for them to continue with the other blocks.
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wild...after my cores received feedback, they were into editting their labs. I had to actually ask them to stop. We were working on something else. Maybe I should have let them run with it?
so, here is the question...do I grade them on their first hand in or after their revisions that are made after the feedback they receive? Is the goal of the wiki to improve learning?
what I am happy to report, is that they are keen to revise. I think I will tell them that they can revise for homework.
it is difficult keeping up with all these threads. I have repeatedly asked them to post to the discussion thread that was already created , titled feedback, but of course you always have some students creating a new thread and so you end up with zillions of threads called feedback.
is is also difficult keeping up with all the edits. think I need to take a break from looking at them and get back to them in a week.
Hi Paula. LTNS, I'm sorry I haven't come over here. Inexcuseable and I'll be checking in with you MUCH more now.
On that note, how do I access your kids' wikis? Can you send me an invite? That'll guarantee that I check on your TIP almost as much as mine.
Can you please go over to my blog and comment on the THIS WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN post? Just give me your email and I'll send you a PBWiki invite. Now back to your post...
As an English teacher, I always think the REVISION is the important one, but I also know how much honors kids love grades. So what I do is give a small grade on their initial rough draft (that way they do it!!!!) and the big grade comes after the revisions. But that's just me. It works for me though, so that's an idea.
I HEAR YOU re: discussion threads. GRRR! I have no answer, Paula. And if you ever find one, please let me know ASAP. I even created a fake discussion thread and, in the front of class on InFocus so they could all see, I showed them how to REPLY TO ORIGINAL THREAD. And I showed them what it looks like if they do not.
And I still have kids who start new topic threads. Negative reinforcement? I dunno, but it's annoying and it usually kills a good discussion thread.
I think tough love is the only other thing for me...to penalize them if they keep starting new threads. Now THAT is a rough option and I don't like the sound of it, but I really don't have any help for yoooou!
I took a break from wiki updates Tues-Thurs of this week, and it was beautiful. I came back on to their sites and it was like I had a whole new view of them all/a different kind of perspective. I think you should do exactly what you suggest (dollars to donuts that you won't last a week...you'll be itching to go on and see how they're progressing!!!).
Sorry so long, Paula. I cannot help it:)
oh dear.....the editting is not stopping. I have noticed that students are continuing to edit their work even after the due date. There is some motivation for you. Is it because the site is public?
Hi Paula! I know I'm not in your group, but I was curious to see what others were doing and I followed the link to your kids' wikis. Wow! At first glance, the splash page, it looks kinda forced. I don't know if I am putting that right, but there just doesn't look like there's much going on. Then I clicked around and got to some of the pages with the students' experiments - very neat! The one I saw was about steel wool and rust. I kinda wanted all of it to be on one page, so I didn't have to click around to see the hypothesis and the outcome and the photos, but that's just me wanting to get to everything all at once and not wait. That your kids are motivated to put up good work for people to see shows. I'm with John on the revision - I think everyone has a hard time catching on to what we teachers want, especially when it's something new. So if they want to perfect it once they've seen a few examples, more power to them... the best part is that the revision makes it more likely their stuff will be seen/used and not just turned in for a grade and then thrown in a trash can. I can hardly wait to go thru some more of what your students did - tell them I want to see more photos!
Oh, and the buzzword around DoDEA this week is "formative assessment"; having the kids put stuff up on the wiki for no grade but for the opportunity to get feedback and revise is great formative assessment ;-)
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